Creating Nurturing Spaces with Rev. Leela Sinha

Welcome to another episode of “She Owns”! In this thought-provoking installment, we dive deep into the concept of creating nurturing spaces without sacrificing oneself. Join us as our guest, Rev. Leela Sinha, leads the discussion, exploring various perspectives and experiences.

We start by examining the complex conversations that arise within the trans masculine community, particularly when it comes to navigating relationships after transitioning. Sinha sheds light on the challenges faced when partners struggle with their own expectations and discomfort as their loved one transitions away from traditional gender roles.

Drawing inspiration from the enlightening book, “Braiding Sweetgrass,” our guest takes us on a journey from individualism to collectivism. We explore the feelings of betrayal and the need for collective understanding as we navigate the ever-changing landscape of relationships.

But it’s not just about relationships. Sinha guides us into the importance of nature, sharing their experiences in their new house and their connection to the outdoors. Along the way, we discover the metaphor of the dandelion and the orchid, uncovering the diverse needs and ways of functioning that define each of us.

Delving deeper, our discussion touches on the complex expectations placed on women, the challenges of reconciling traditional roles with independence, and the impact of a white colonialist mindset on a sense of self-worth.

Through personal anecdotes and reflections, our guest reveals the struggles they face in their work and the importance of vulnerability, safety, and intimacy in nurturing a sense of importance and belonging. We explore the transformative power of living in a connected community, dismantling societal expectations, and discovering our true identities.

So get ready to challenge your perspectives as we explore the nuances of self-worth, society, and the human experience. It’s time to embrace the beauty of being human beings, not human doings, with the poetic insights of Leela Sinha and the immersive storytelling of “She Owns.”

Rev. Leela Sinha is a storyteller, a painter of worlds, the wizard you need to meet in the woods so you learn to use your magic without blowing up everything around you.  

After a childhood with one stable address and theoretically clear goals, ze tossed everything in the air to find out what needed to happen instead.  Ze moved to the Midwest for college, and since then ze has been in IT, theater tech, fine woodworking, bodywork, coaching, bread baking, and a half dozen other things. Zir has lived in France, Portugal, India, Canada, and across the northern US, with and without partners, with and without housemates, with and without a clear direction. 

Since founding The Intensives Institute ze has gotten clear on the mission, the vision, and the goal: to give intensives a space (and a world, let’s be real) where we can flourish and use our power for good.  Now ze get to do it, and you get to do it with zir.

And yes, the reverend is real.

The Transcripts

Amanda Krill [00:00:04]:

Hey there. This is Amanda from she Owns and you’re listening to the she Owns podcast, the show that helps you own your past, your present and your future for people who want to live their lives in a more intentional way. Today we’re talking about self worth with Jen Verton, who weathered a perfect storm that led her to finally find her self worth in her mid 40s. Jen, thanks so much for being here with me. And I know you know we’re going to talk today about self worth and I don’t necessarily have an initial question to ask you to get us rolling, but I guess let’s just start with in terms of self worth, where do you think that most people are lacking it? Where does it show up most for them?

Jen Vertanen [00:00:49]:

I guess that’s my oh, my goodness. That’s a great opening question and thank you for having me. I’m excited to be here. When I think of self worth, I think of the fact that this is not something we’re taught how to do. And without self worth. If you’re not feeling super worthy yourself, it bleeds into every aspect of your life, from how you parent to how you be in a partnership, to how you be in friendships, to your relationship with yourself, which I personally believe is your most important relationship, to how you show up at work as a leader, a boss, et cetera. It just bleeds into every facet of a person’s life. And again, going back to we’re not taught this right.

Jen Vertanen [00:01:35]:

I love the phrase hurt people. Hurt people. We have a whole bunch of hurt people walking around on this earth that are hurting other people. Not necessarily nefariously. It’s a lack of awareness. Right. And a lack of self worth.

Amanda Krill [00:01:50]:

Right. Do you think that there is the possibility of having self assurance but still not having self worth?

Jen Vertanen [00:01:58]:

That’s a good question. I’m going to say yes based on my own experience because when I struggled with self worth, I was very self assured. Now, one could argue that that was false bravado. It very much could be. I think it was a blend of assurance and bravado and ego in there too.

Amanda Krill [00:02:21]:

Yeah, well, I asked that question specifically because I think that’s where I am right now. I am fully confident in my own decisions and I’m fully confident in what I’m capable of. But I don’t know, I just don’t always feel like I don’t know how to explain it other than that I’m very self assured. But when it comes to my self worth and maybe it’s just like patterns that are the result of trauma or the result of just my childhood or just these things that I get in my head about and then just takes you down the wrong rabbit hole. So what are your best tips for increasing your own self worth?

Jen Vertanen [00:03:13]:

Oh, gosh. My story is a bit dramatic and I don’t know if we’re going to go into it. We don’t necessarily need to. But I had a perfect storm, and I won’t go too deep into it, but I had a perfect storm in 2015 that had me questioning everything in my life. Everything, every bit and piece of me, including my ego, that had gotten me by up till that point in time. And I had to flip a switch and tell myself, no, you are worthy. And I think that rock bottom moment of questioning absolutely everything and having to rebuild myself from the inside out, I had to do it from a place of love, self worth, et cetera. So I decided, and I know that’s easier said than done, I decided from one day forward, I am worthy.

Jen Vertanen [00:04:11]:

And I think that that’s one way to do it. That’s the way I did it. And eight years later, it’s it’s definitely worked for me. So if you’re a person who can kind of make a decision like that and stick to it, that’s one way. That’s the only experience I’ve had. So I don’t feel like I have other tips I can give on how to do that other than if we tell ourselves something, we find evidence for it. Right. And so even if I didn’t believe I was worthy at that moment, because I was telling myself that my brain was finding evidence for it, instead of saying, oh, I’m not worthy, my brain would find evidence to support that thought.

Amanda Krill [00:04:51]:

Right? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And I do think that I’m at a point where I’m wondering more if people talk about affirmations and how well they work and whatnot. And I think that they do work, but I think that it also doesn’t work as well for everybody, because I’m sure there are millions of people out there who are just like you, who can be like, I am worthy. And that’s it. That’s all I have to do is keep selling myself I am and other people, that they’ll be like, oh, that’s not going to work for me.

Jen Vertanen [00:05:20]:

Well, but I think the important thing here, and I didn’t touch on it, is that you have to follow through with action. You can tell yourself something, but then you have to act from the place as if right. And you might not believe it yet, but you can be acting. Pretending is the word that’s coming up. I don’t like that word in this case, but you being as if, right.

Amanda Krill [00:05:43]:

Fake it till you make it kind of thing.

Jen Vertanen [00:05:45]:

Exactly. But without action, you can’t think your way through this stuff. You absolutely cannot. And that’s where the affirmation comes in. Right. They have to go hand in hand. You have to be telling yourself one thing, and you have to be following it up with action.

Amanda Krill [00:06:00]:

Okay. One of the things that I just realized about myself in the last maybe 24 hours is it’s been roughly a year since my dad passed. And it was a very turbulent relationship here in the last 20 some years in that I guess he was a secret alcoholic my whole life, but none of us knew it until I was probably almost 30 before we realized what was actually going on with him. And it had been going on since he was a teenager, but he was really good at hiding it. And he, since the moment of my birth, had an unaltered belief in me that I could do and be anything that I wanted. And it literally infused it in me. And even though we were not like, I honestly feel like the dad that I grew up with died a long time ago. And then this other guy just kind of looked like my dad, but was a total asshole.

Amanda Krill [00:07:02]:

It’s not that I wasn’t sad when he passed.

Jen Vertanen [00:07:04]:

I was.

Amanda Krill [00:07:04]:

But it was like my dad was still there somewhere. And now that he’s gone, I’m really actually struggling with, was he right? Can I do anything? And I don’t think I realized how impactful his belief in me was until just the last 24 hours. So that’s one thing that I’m going through is, like, I can still believe in myself. Even if he’s not here, and even if nobody else believes in me, I.

Jen Vertanen [00:07:31]:

Can still believe in myself. Well, and that’s why I said earlier, I do firmly believe that the relationship we have with ourself, it informs our reality. It’s not everything, right? But it does greatly inform the reality that we exist in. And so part of that, and it’s an ongoing thing, I’d say I have a pretty good relationship with myself. Now, I didn’t always. I used to be full of self loathing, but I’ve really worked at it these eight years. But I don’t see that ever being done. Cultivating this self trust, the self worth, the self awareness, the self belief, all of those things.

Amanda Krill [00:08:09]:

Yeah. How do you think that the way that other people perceive you impacts your self worth? So, like, if you’re told all the time that you’re too much and things like that, and you start diminishing yourself to make other people around you happy, how do you break out of that?

Jen Vertanen [00:08:30]:

You may or may not like my answer. I’m going to go back to thoughts in Action and finding evidence. Right. And I think it’s like having that awareness that, okay, this is my starting point. This is how I believe myself to be, recognizing that. Again, going back to hurt people, hurt people. You can’t control someone else’s perception of you. You absolutely cannot.

Jen Vertanen [00:08:58]:

Right. And hurt people. Hurt people. So you have all these people that are telling you all the shoulds and where you’re too much and not enough. And I believe you have to decide if you’re going to listen to that or not. Right. And again, for me, I had to hit kind of rock bottom in my personal life before I made that switch. What I would love others to do is to hear this conversation and be like, oh, wait, I’ve really been crapping.

Jen Vertanen [00:09:26]:

I’ve been shitting on myself. I’m going to work on stopping doing that. Right. It might not happen overnight. Absolutely. It will not happen overnight. But I’m going to start. Right.

Jen Vertanen [00:09:36]:

And I’m going to allow it to be imperfect, and sometimes I’m going to be really mean to myself, and I have to accept that that comes along for the ride. Right?

Amanda Krill [00:09:46]:

Yeah.

Jen Vertanen [00:09:46]:

But I’m going to try to be better to myself more often than not.

Amanda Krill [00:09:51]:

That makes sense. One of the things that it’s harder for me now because my daughter and all of my kids are gone well, not all of them. I have three kids. It makes it sound like I have a dozen. Two of my three children are grown and moved to college or in their own apartments, whatever. And I still have one at home, but he’s never here, and he doesn’t listen to anything I say anyway. But specifically, my daughter, a few years ago, I saw something saying, the way you talk to yourself is the way your daughter is going to talk to herself. And that really impacted the way that I was thinking about myself.

Amanda Krill [00:10:26]:

But now that she’s gone, it’s harder for me to maintain it. Now that she’s on her own, it’s really hard to maintain those thoughts when I feel like shit sometimes.

Jen Vertanen [00:10:35]:

Yeah. I’m a new empty nester. My daughter is my last one to leave the nest of my three. And back in 2015, when I had that rock bottom moment, parenting her was such a huge part of my healing from childhood traumas, abuses, what have you. And you’re absolutely right. I had to train my brain to think, how would I want her to feel? What counsel would I give her if she were in the same situation? If she felt this way inside about herself, how would I try to help her? And then I turned that back on me. Right. Easier said than done.

Jen Vertanen [00:11:13]:

But again, it’s training the brain to find those opportunities and not just letting it run on autopilot and shitting on yourself.

Amanda Krill [00:11:21]:

Right. So you do a lot of coaching. Yes. Okay. So how do you approach this topic with your clients? Like, if they have really low self worth, what’s, like, your best tip for them?

Jen Vertanen [00:11:37]:

My best tip? Oh, how to answer. It’s part of the process. And I know that that’s not really a tip, but bear with me here. It’s part of the process of peeling back the layers, right. Finding what’s lurking in the shadows. It’s listening to that inner critic, like, really paying attention to it over a period of time. Right. And then evaluating it from a perspective of non judgmental, just a perspective of objectiveness.

Jen Vertanen [00:12:15]:

Right. And not tying an emotion to it, not making it good, bad, right or wrong, acting as a detective as you go about and collecting this evidence, if you will, right? And then looking at that evidence and saying, asking yourself, where is that coming from? Whose voice is it? Is it a mother, a teacher, a father, a nosy neighbor that’s all up in your business? And then asking yourself like, okay, is this something that is true? Is there evidence that I can use to refute it? Right. And then, is this something that I want to carry with me? So it’s bringing that intentional awareness, that objective discernment, not tying any emotion to it. There’s a time and place for emotion. Absolutely. But when I feel like we’re in this inner journey, this inner growth, this inner evaluation, you have to put an objective lens to it if you want to make the progress, right? We’re just gathering the data. We’re just going to look at the data, and then we’re going to use our adult brain, not the wounded inner child, but our adult brain to be like, okay, what do I carry forward? Where do I need to dive deeper and really work on that? And when I say it’s a part of the journey, part of the process, we can’t do that overnight, right? So when I’m there coaching, it’s like, let’s look at the data together. Let’s talk about this together.

Jen Vertanen [00:13:42]:

Let’s talk about the blind spots together. I’m here to support your journey. I can’t do the work for you.

Amanda Krill [00:13:51]:

Yeah. What you said there at the beginning was going to trigger me to ask a question that you already answered. But those outer voices versus your inner voice, that I think is the hardest place and to not get emotional, not get frustrated by the things that people say to you. One of the things. I just did a TikTok yesterday about something that I saw on Instagram the night before. But it was talking about and I think I may have posted it on Facebook, I don’t remember. But it’s talking about how this woman was told that she was intimidating, and her friend stopped the person who said it and said, wait a minute. Is she intimidating or are you intimidated?

Jen Vertanen [00:14:33]:

I love that.

Amanda Krill [00:14:34]:

And I was like, oh, because that is absolutely like, in my 46 years of life, that is probably the comment I’ve gotten more than any other, is that I’m intimidating. And I’m like, so then I asked them, I’m like, why? What about me is intimidating? And then I think that intimidates them further. So it’s like I’m never getting the right answer, but it made me think about it. Like, is what I’m doing intimidating? Or is it just really that the other person is intimidated? Because I’ve been operating on the idea that I’m intimidating and trying to reel it back a little bit so that I’m not intimidating people, but what if it wasn’t like, me at all? It’s their stuff. Coming up and being intimidated by me and then me rolling it back just causes all of my own issues, and it’s just like a shitstorm, honestly.

Jen Vertanen [00:15:28]:

Yeah. That’s one of my favorite phrases, is watch what you make it mean. And that’s something I do with my clients, is in that evaluating the data is like, what are you making that to mean about you? And again, you as the adult, get to decide if you’re going to continue letting it mean that about you. Right. And it goes back to intellectually, we know this, but emotionally, emotional maturity is when you can say, I hear what they’re saying, and I don’t need to take that on. I don’t need to make it mean anything about me. That’s their view and not, oh, I feel sorry about for them. But it’s empathy, right.

Jen Vertanen [00:16:13]:

It’s like, what is going on in their life that they’re intimidated? What is their past, what is their unresolved traumas, et cetera. And then the empathy for that, of like, that’s not me. That’s their thing.

Amanda Krill [00:16:27]:

Right? Yeah. And that is a really good point, honestly, just like, what was I going to say? It ties back to something that I’ve always thought about just interacting with other people, that when a client or a friend or whatever odly negatively responds to something that you say in a way that they normally wouldn’t. And I’ve gotten really good at being like, you know what? I’m just going to believe that whatever this situation was wasn’t really about me. It was about something else that happened in their day. And I can just not take this personally and move on without letting it affect me. So it’s really easy to do that in the moment, but when it’s like something that people say about you again and again and again yeah. Then you’re just like, well, maybe it is me, but not everybody feels that way about me. So how do you differentiate between those things? Clearly, it’s not about me, but sometimes it is about you.

Amanda Krill [00:17:36]:

That’s the thing I think I’m struggling with the most right now and I think a lot of people struggle with, is that I do believe that this is not accurate necessarily. But how do you differentiate that?

Jen Vertanen [00:17:50]:

Well, I go back to the relationship with yourself, and that’s having a strong sense of self identity. Right. I choose to be the person who acts XYZ in a certain situation. Right. For you. And I’m not here to coach you, obviously, but it’s that inner inquiry about evaluating. And I’ll ask myself, was I the asshole? Right? Sometimes I am, right? Sometimes I was. But I’m going to not make it good, bad, right or wrong.

Jen Vertanen [00:18:25]:

I’m instead going to say, okay, well, when I’m in that situation again or I’m with that person again, a, do I need to apologize? Or be like, hey, I really don’t like how I handled that. That’s not who I want to be right? How do I want to show up in a similar situation? Right? But it’s that awareness that honesty, not integration, but interrogating yourself. That’s a strong word. Right. But it goes back to that self identity. It’s like, am I an intimidating person? Well, sometimes I am. Right?

Amanda Krill [00:19:02]:

Yeah.

Jen Vertanen [00:19:03]:

And in those situations, is there a different way I want to show up next time?

Amanda Krill [00:19:07]:

Right, okay.

Jen Vertanen [00:19:09]:

And not detract from there’s something good about being I’ll put intimidating in quotes. I’m not saying you are intimidating, but there’s a gift that’s in there. There’s something good that comes out of whether it’s drive, passion. There’s good stuff in there. And I think of a dial. Right. Where do you need to turn the dial up? And where do you sometimes need to turn the dial on? On whatever that thing is that makes people say, oh, you intimidate me.

Amanda Krill [00:19:46]:

I guess I’ve been recently using it as a litmus for, like, well, you’re obviously not a person that exactly work with or anything else because we’re not going to get anywhere.

Jen Vertanen [00:19:58]:

Right.

Amanda Krill [00:19:58]:

And other people see it as a push. Like, I push them to do better, and I’m using it as that litmus. I love that.

Jen Vertanen [00:20:09]:

As a litmus.

Amanda Krill [00:20:10]:

Yeah. That’s how I’ve had to do it. I feel like there are so many women, specifically, that are our age ish like 40, early 50s, whatever, who have been less than who they are because of things that people in their lives have said to them in the past. How do you tell people what would your advice be to somebody who is realizing that about themselves? That they are not fully showing up as themselves because they were hurt by something somebody said or whatever, but it’s definitely impacted their self worth. But they want to be differently. They want to show up differently.

Jen Vertanen [00:20:57]:

Yeah. So our past definitely impacts our present. Right. There’s no way around that. It absolutely does. But I firmly believe we get to shape our future. We get to create our future. And that’s where I do a lot of future self work with my clients in that.

Jen Vertanen [00:21:16]:

And it goes back to like, well, who do I want to be? Right? How do I want to show up in a certain situation? And then you practice it. You don’t expect we’re also a bunch of us perfectionists, right? So it’s like, we’re not going for perfection here. We’re going for messy, imperfect, getting it wrong more oftentimes than we get it right to start. But we’re practicing. Right? But it’s making those declarative statements, I am the person who I’m the person who believes in myself. I am the person who believes she’s worthy. And then acting, I can’t stress enough the action. Right? The action, the practice, the acting, as if but go back to, like, we’re going to collect a whole bunch of data.

Jen Vertanen [00:22:04]:

We’re going to look some at the past, some at the present, and some at what your future is. And it’s like in life design, we talk about deconstructing and then reconstructing deconstructing and saying, here are the ingredients I have to work with. And then putting it back together, reconstructing it back together into something that you want to be, who you want to be, moving forward.

Amanda Krill [00:22:30]:

I love that so much. And just giving yourself, I guess it’s kind of forgiving yourself, for the things that you have done in the past. And you really can’t forgive other people until you forgive yourself. I firmly believe you have to be able to forgive yourself, to be able to put it behind you and move forward and remind yourself that the way that you acted at that time was because you didn’t know better, but now you do. So do better.

Jen Vertanen [00:22:57]:

So do better. Yeah. It’s like, who’s the person I want to be? What do I want to do? What do I want to have in my life? And have I don’t say that from a material perspective. I want to have more fulfillment, more joy, more impact, more purpose, what’s important to you. And that’s where, again, we can’t undo the past. We absolutely can’t. So doing the work to accept it, right? And being like, okay, here are the things I’m taking away from it. And then present having a vision of who you want to iterate into and then acting or taking action in the present is going to turn it’s going to shape you into that future that you envision.

Jen Vertanen [00:23:45]:

But it starts with having a clear vision of who is that person that I even want to be? What do I have to work with? What do I want to not lose about myself? What do I want to stop doing with myself, and what do I want to start doing right?

Amanda Krill [00:24:04]:

I think one of the bigger things about deciding who you want to be and moving in that direction is all of the people that are around you that have known the old version of you. How do you deal with them not believing that you’re actually changing or sometimes making it harder to change because they keep bringing up who you used to be?

Jen Vertanen [00:24:28]:

Yeah, I think of honest, compassionate conversations. It’s having the awareness that if you have a close relationship with someone and they’re continually bringing you back to who you were, putting your brave pants on and having that again, a compassionate, kind, honest conversation with them, like not being like, oh my God, again, I can’t believe. But it’s like, hey, we’ve talked about this before. I would rather have your support than not. I would rather have your friendship than not. But I also need you to recognize I’m making changes. Right. And I think of if we go back to empathy for the other person, the other person is probably scared, feeling a little fearful that, well, what if I don’t fit in their life anymore? And so having that empathy and understanding where they’re coming from and then speaking to those.

Jen Vertanen [00:25:30]:

Right. I understand you might like, our friendship is not going anywhere, but I really need to set some boundaries here. And part of that, it’s not going to feel comfortable at first, but if nothing changes, nothing changes. Right. And so part of that self identity, that strong self identity, is I’m the person who’s willing to have uncomfortable, awkward conversations because it means that much to me.

Amanda Krill [00:25:59]:

That is a really good way to frame it, of like, it’s important to me and this is why I want to have these hard conversations, not just I want to tear you down or you to tear me down or anything else. It’s just if I’m going to do better, we have to do better. Yeah, I love that.

Jen Vertanen [00:26:19]:

And again, I say this all, it is easier said than done. I have eight years, so my story really started in 2015, even though I’m 53 years old. But that’s kind of when my transformation, if you will, happened. But it takes time, and it takes being kind and to ourselves, to others. And I think, again, as much as you can think of the other person and what they may be experiencing and understanding that and then having that conversation to try to address their fears and some relationships may not make the cut. It’s not good, bad, right or wrong. It’s just run its course.

Amanda Krill [00:27:01]:

Yeah, I think I really love the whole idea that you give off of removing emotion from it, because I think that’s where we all really stumble the most is that we allow emotion to be part of it. And I mean, emotions have their place, but not absolutely not in this at all.

Jen Vertanen [00:27:20]:

Yeah, well, and it’s an easy way to kind of check in with yourself is like, am I having a knee jerk reaction here? If I am, what do I need to do to kind of calm my own nervous system, right? Put my adult brain front and center, not my wounded inner child or lizard brain. Right. And it might not be the right time to have that conversation. It might be saying, hey, we need to put a pin in this. I’m going to come back to this later, but I need a chance to kind of regroup, et cetera. It’s okay to say these things to people. It is absolutely okay. And here’s the thing, too.

Jen Vertanen [00:28:00]:

You modeling this is going to help others, right? Everyone gets to have their own journey, their own experience here on Earth, but you modeling it over time, if they see you doing it enough and see how it’s impacting your life, they’re going to start wanting to do that. They’ll start naturally doing it because you’ve modeled it for them. And all of a sudden we have more emotionally intelligent, aware people walking around, which means less hurt people. Hurting people, right? Yeah.

Amanda Krill [00:28:33]:

It’s like, win win. Well, thank you so much for being here with me. Is there anywhere I can send people specifically like that you want people to? Your socials website, et cetera?

Jen Vertanen [00:28:47]:

Yeah. So my website is Jenvertonin.com and my Instagram is underscore loveyourdam life. I’m building up my TikTok. Yeah, love your damn life. Which is why I love she owns her life. Like, we’re sympoticro here. Absolutely.

Amanda Krill [00:29:05]:

Definitely. Yeah. When you go visit Jen’s stuff, you’ll see she’s got a lot of looking at your future self and loving your 80 year old self, and I love that so much. My grandma’s in her 80s right now, so I have a lot of looking forward to what I’m going to be like when I hit that point. And, yeah, I’ve had really good models of women who do their own thing and are fully capable of taking care of themselves. And they have men in their lives. They love the men in their lives, but they are also fully themselves.

Jen Vertanen [00:29:45]:

I love that.

Amanda Krill [00:29:46]:

So I’m in the moment struggling with those things, but I can feel myself moving in that direction. And all the stuff that you put out in the world really helps, actually. You’re making a big difference in my life, so thank you for all you’re doing.

Jen Vertanen [00:30:02]:

Well, I can’t wait to see how she Owns Her Life, to hear the other speakers talk about self worth and all the things. I love what you’re up to.

Amanda Krill [00:30:10]:

Yeah, I have some really good people that are doing these conversations with me, so I’m really excited about it, too. All right. Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for listening to the she Owns podcast. If you’re interested in learning more about what she Owns is all about, head over to Sheowns.org. Whether you’re needing support around your business or your life, we’ve got you covered. Our all in one business suite gives you all the tools you need to run an online business. And she Owns Her Life is a year long program aligned to the seasons to help us return to a natural rhythm, reclaim our wild power by rediscovering who we are and relearn how to be our strong, independent selves in a world that wants us to conform.

Amanda Krill [00:30:53]:

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She Owns™ is an all-in-one business software suite solution that will help you manage your list, sales, marketing, funnels and a customer relationship manager (CRM) all in one. We also have a robust community, a video training vault and courses for every aspect of business.