Trusting Ourselves and Embracing Change: A Chat with Kimberly Shepherd on Self-Worth

Welcome back to She Owns, the podcast where we explore stories of women who are owning their past, present, and future in a more intentional way. I’m your host, Amanda Krill, and today we have a very special guest, Kimberly Shepherd. Kimberly is a passionate advocate for creating a society where no student is left behind and believes that loving the lives we’ve chosen can truly transform the world.

In this episode, we dive deep into the topic of self-worth and how it subtly influences our lives. From breastfeeding choices to religious communities, Kimberly shares her personal journey of discovering her own worth and how it has shaped her perspectives as a mother, a partner, and an individual. We also discuss the power of advocating for oneself and the importance of finding a sense of community in our lives. So grab your headphones and join us as we explore Kimberly’s inspiring story and uncover the lessons we can all learn about owning our own worth.

Kimberly Shepherd is a brilliant, compassionate woman who  helps teens and young adults navigate life and craft lives they don’t want to escape from.

The Transcripts

Amanda Krill [00:00:06]:

Hey, there. This is Amanda from she Owns, and you’re listening to the she Owns podcast, a show that helps you own your past, your present, and your future for people who want to live their lives in a more intentional way. Today we’re talking about self worth with Kimberly Shepard, whose goal it is to cultivate a society in which absolutely no student is left behind. Every person has the support, motive, guidance necessary to create and fulfill their life goals. She believes that our world is transformed when people love the lives they’ve been able to choose. First of all, Kimberly, thank you so much for agreeing to do this with me with no pre written questions or anything else like that. I believe, you know, like, I’m doing a program that’s aligned to the seasons, and this month we’re talking about self worth and how it affects us and how we may not even realize that we aren’t valuing ourselves, that that’s what the root of a lot of things is, or yeah, a lot of things are. I don’t know, whatever the grammar is for that.

Amanda Krill [00:01:08]:

Where do you feel like? Okay, so we’re roughly the same age, right? I’m 46, and I think you’re around the same age, maybe younger than me.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:01:17]:

I’m 54, almost 55.

Amanda Krill [00:01:20]:

No, I had no idea. I definitely thought we were, like, the same age. Well, I mean, you’re not that much older than me, and I thought I was older. So funny. That’s funny. But you are also exactly where I am with your daughter is grown, and it’s a completely new thing. So how has parenting and being a mother and all of that affected your self worth?

Kimberly Shepherd [00:01:47]:

Yeah, that’s an awesome question. I think there’s the piece that’s like parenting as a whole, but being a mother, I’m going to speak from a mothering perspective, and I think that early on, so much too much of my self worth was tied up in my daughter, in her development, like her physical and mental development, her, quote, achievements. Even at a young age, I just observed that there was a lot of sort of competing around that, among other with other women. And I was like, yeah, I don’t know. But I had to reflect. My daughter had a lot of challenges, which were fairly evident early on, but were not diagnosed early on. So I received a lot of judgment, both from people who knew me, from strangers. My daughter wasn’t always following the path that other people thought children her age should be following.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:03:15]:

And I was kind of like, okay, how does that affect you? And if it doesn’t, maybe just step back and let us be. But it took a toll because I began to question, am I a good mother? Is advocating for her and looking? I did so much research and spoke to so many people and read books and peer reviewed articles and so many medical journals. Oh, my gosh. And part of me was like, is this enough? Is this the right thing to do? Should I be more hands off? Should I be more invested in some way? I couldn’t really figure out how that would be. And ultimately, I did find my own balance, and there’s a core memory that I have. She was a pacifier baby and really helped her helped her sleep, in particular. And so we let her have it for bedtime until she was, like, three. And she didn’t take it out of the house, she just needed it at bedtime.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:04:44]:

But I started getting pressure from a couple of our healthcare providers that this might not be good for her teeth or ear infections. There were all these things, and she really, by now, should be done with this. I was like, all right, they’ve said it. I’m going to follow through with this. I can do this. And we did. And honestly, the results were disastrous. It was years and years and years, and I don’t actually know it’s horrible to say this, I don’t know that she ever fell asleep the same way again to this day, which is heartbreaking.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:05:22]:

And what I learned from that is to trust myself. Yeah, absolutely trust my own knowing, my own understanding of myself and of my child. And I found that that expanded into so many other things as I really sat with that. I didn’t need to prove anything to other people in my business, in my personal life, when I left my marriage, there were so many people, I mean, people who I know really love me, who said things that were, I don’t think, intentionally hurtful, but things like, no one will ever treat you as well as he did. You’ll regret this. You’ll go back, and then maybe he won’t want you anymore. And I was like, Whoa, how about if I’m just not happy and I’m choosing a different path, and that can just be my choice? Like, ow those kinds of things to.

Amanda Krill [00:06:31]:

Men, like the men of the relationship. I don’t think they say those kinds of things to them.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:06:35]:

No, I don’t think so either. No.

Amanda Krill [00:06:38]:


Kimberly Shepherd [00:06:40]:

But after the whole pacifier removal incident, which is honestly, just even that night was, like, the wildest night, but I was having lunch with a friend who’s older than I am, older enough that she had daughters that were almost my age, daughters I was in college with. And I respected her very much, and she had a very good relationship with her adult daughters. And I told her the story, and I said, what would you have done? She said, you know what? I’ve never heard of a kid going to college with a pacifier. Have you? And I said, I have not. And she said, I guess somewhere between age three and leaving the house. She probably would have given it up on her own, don’t you think? And I said yes, I do. And she said, as mothers, isn’t it our job to put them first in whatever ways is appropriate? And she said, So let her lead. Let her decide when she needs to give something up, as long as it’s not harming her.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:07:57]:

And that was such fabulous advice.

Amanda Krill [00:08:02]:

I wish that all young mothers got that piece of advice. Well, this is not at all similar because it happened right after my oldest son was born. So it was like 21 years ago. Monday is when he was born and we were in the hospital. It was a horrible birth. Like, I labored for 12 hours and could not get him out. So they finally sliced me open and got him out. And then overnight he was asleep and the nurses came in and said, you need to wake him up every 2 hours to make sure that he’s eating enough.

Amanda Krill [00:08:35]:

So I did because I didn’t know any better. And then for the next nine months of my life, he woke up every 2 hours and wanted to eat and literally would take over an hour to just slow drain the milk out of me. For nine months, I did nothing but breastfeed this child. And I have huge regrets around listening to other people, but I think that also helped form some choices I made later in life, which I honestly did not realize how much advocating for my kids has turned into me advocating for myself. Yeah, I did not realize it until this moment while we were having this conversation, that I was pretty naive growing up and just trusted that people cared about me and would always be there for me and take care of me, and as such, have been taken advantage of many times throughout my life. But my children, we were just watching old home videos because I found some videotapes of my great grandparents and so I’ve been digitizing those for my grandma and so Jeremy’s been doing the same for videos of our kids so that they have digital versions of them. And my oldest son was chaos in a was. He did not need a diagnosis for anybody to know that he had ADHD.

Amanda Krill [00:10:00]:

He was insane. And my daughter was not as bad as he was, but also has ADHD. And in kindergarten, they wanted to hold her back because they called me and they’re like, I think she might need to redo kindergarten. And I said, Why is she behind? What is the reason? And they said, well, she just can’t sit still. She gets up in the middle of class and wanders around. And I said, well, that is not a good reason. No, she is not going to repeat kindergarten because she can’t sit down. That is okay.

Amanda Krill [00:10:31]:

So they didn’t hold her back, but it’s just like that reason of that she’s not a good little soldier who sits in her chair all the time. That’s not a good reason. So I was like, no, and my son multiple times. People are like, you need to have him tested for ADHD and get him on medication, and I’m not doing it. He is not out of control. He is not a bad kid. If you give him a book, he’ll go sit in a corner and read, because that’s all he really wants to do. Just let him read.

Amanda Krill [00:11:01]:

If he finishes his work, let him read. And I’m not medicating him. He was six years old, and I’m like, I’m not putting him on a medication at six years old. I don’t know how that will affect his brain in the future. As his brain develops, then maybe someday we’ll do medication, but not now. I’m not doing it. But yeah. I just never really realized how advocating for them really has turned into me advocating for myself, because I didn’t know how to do it before.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:11:27]:

Wow. And it’s like, even in places and spaces where it’s not 100% okay, it’s always more okay to advocate for our children than ourselves. Always. In any situation.

Amanda Krill [00:11:46]:


Kimberly Shepherd [00:11:46]:

So doing that, it is like, well, wait a minute. Can I not do this for me, too?

Amanda Krill [00:11:56]:

Yeah, absolutely.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:11:57]:

Where and how?

Amanda Krill [00:12:00]:

Yeah, that’s really wow. I just never really realized that’s crazy how you just end up almost 50, and you’re like, oh, wait, I’m not the same person I was. I feel like I haven’t changed that much since I was a teenager. I feel like I’m still blunt, and you’d think somebody who’s super blunt would always be advocating for themselves, but I never really did.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:12:24]:

I think for me, the household I was raised in and the culture I was raised in didn’t have that as a piece of things, even, to be honest. And then this is no way putting down my parents, but even them advocating for me wasn’t really a thing unless I think they could see clear harm coming. There was no, like, preemptive advocacy. It was reactive, and and I think, again, it it was that was cultural, and, you know, there were there were a lot of pieces to it. But I think, again, I too blunt, loud. I mean, I was always being told, Be quiet. Your opinion. Come on, now.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:13:24]:

I’ve told the story many, many times of being in my religious education class and being told that we were going to pray for these babies in this other country. I’m not going to say where or what. And I whipped my hand in the air because I was like, oh, my gosh, what’s going on with these babies? Why do we need to pray for them? What’s happening? And they were like, oh, well, they don’t know God. And I was like, excuse me. I mean, I was in literally second grade, and I was like, you told us this last week that God loves everybody, knows everybody is in all of us, but not those particular babies. Everybody else but those babies or are there other babies? I mean, I literally was just like, what? You’re not making sense yourself.

Amanda Krill [00:14:19]:

Get your story straight.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:14:20]:

And, I mean, they called my mom and I had to have a big conversation because I was being talking back, and I was like, but this just doesn’t make sense. Explain it in some way where it makes sense, and then we can just move forward from here. But it wasn’t it was some yucky stuff happening, and I was seeing it and calling it out.

Amanda Krill [00:14:50]:

But again, second grade, you called that out. Love it.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:14:55]:

Yeah. My folks didn’t love it so much. But again, that was like me advocating for someone else. I didn’t have tools. Even when things didn’t make sense for me, I just assumed that that was how it had to be. As a young person, and even my daughter’s 17. I look at things that she does and says and the ways that she thinks about situations. And I think to myself the difference between I went away from home to college.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:15:39]:

I studied in another country. I did a lot of things independently, but I didn’t have this sense of myself, this sense of self worth that she has. And I think there are a lot more of her of gen z that has that than our generation had, particularly at that time. Because, again, I think culture and so forth, and I marvel at it, and I just think where I think there’s two pieces, like, where would I be now if I’d had that at 17? Which is just sort of a tender thought. And then, where can she go? And who can she be with herself? I think when our kids are babies or really young, there’s a lot of this what are they going to be when they grow up? I’ve made jokes. That part of why I named her was that it sounded good with doctor in front of it, PhD behind it, madam President, whatever. And those really are jokes, although her name does sound good, but those things back. But I somehow escaped the trap that her achievements were a reflection of my worth.

Amanda Krill [00:17:11]:


Kimberly Shepherd [00:17:12]:

And I think part of that transition was the struggles that she did have and that we went through together, finding out what they were getting, her support, adaptations, et cetera. But also then seeing as she overcame things, that wasn’t my victory either.

Amanda Krill [00:17:35]:


Kimberly Shepherd [00:17:37]:

Whoops. It’s all hers.

Amanda Krill [00:17:41]:

Yeah, but, I mean, part of her victories is your support, and you being her mother, so you do get that win. But, I mean, equally, their mistakes are not necessarily our mistakes, and all we can do is support them through them.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:17:55]:

I tell parents that all the time because when they come to me and are feeling, like, shame about something going on with their kid, and half the time I don’t even get the full story at first because they don’t want to tell me. And I’m like, you didn’t cause this. Your child’s brain is literally not even fully developed. Oh, my goodness. They’re going to make mistakes, and you’re going to make mistakes with them, and that’s part of it. But there is there’s a ton of pressure, as if I almost think, like, we have children, and then it’s like, we’re going to present them to the world as, like, an offering, and they should be the best offering we can possibly produce, when in fact how it works.

Amanda Krill [00:18:59]:

Yeah, it isn’t at all. Yeah. It’s crazy, these perceptions that we come up with somewhere. I don’t know where it even comes from, but we feel these pressures to produce the perfect offering, and it’s like, that’s not real. It’s not even a thing.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:19:15]:

No. It’s interesting because with conversations with teachers of hers over the years and things, I would approach it as, are you seeing anything that is of concern? Or things like that? And I would watch sometimes as they would be very hesitant to broach certain topics. And I think over time, I became aware some of them would share that they would just get such heavy duty resistance, even anger, from some parents with presenting basically, no, your child is not perfect. Here are some things that could be improved upon, whether they’re academic things, behavioral things, whatever, social things. And I was like, yeah, I’m actually really familiar with the fact that my child isn’t perfect because I’m also not, and no one I’ve ever known heard of is perfect. So, yeah, we should probably focus on anything that we can do to help her, help you help her. What can I do at home to make that better, easier, whatever? I think there’s all these parts in place where we’re all sort of doing this, I don’t know, dance of raising children together. Parents, teachers, neighbors, friends, families.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:20:46]:

When my daughter was young, there was time out, was very popular, and I literally couldn’t understand it. I was like, So you move your child to some space, a chair, a corner, a step, whatever, and your child just stays there quietly for some time that you decide. I was like, how does that work? Because I tried. Because, again, this was like the popular thing. And I mean, she just moved immediately.

Amanda Krill [00:21:20]:

Yeah. Or if my son actually sat still, all he was doing was plotting what he was doing next.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:21:25]:


Amanda Krill [00:21:27]:

This is not a good thing for him.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:21:29]:

I don’t need him reflecting on what they did bad and recognizing how they could do better. How do they do that? What are we giving them to help them?

Amanda Krill [00:21:40]:

Right. Yeah, we’re just, like, go to the work.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:21:44]:

But when I would tell people that I don’t do timeouts, it would be like, I don’t feed her.

Amanda Krill [00:21:50]:

Yeah, exactly.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:21:53]:

These people are crazy. Literally, my own parents, family members, friends would be like, well, if you just and I would say, Listen, please take her for a day, and you are welcome, aside from harming her, to try whatever you want to try and let me know how it goes.

Amanda Krill [00:22:16]:

Doing full well, it will not work, but maybe you’ll understand my plight a little bit.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:22:23]:

And we had to be so careful even hiring babysitters, because there were so many people she would have babysitters in tears. This was like early school age, even preschool. I’m like, a child not related to you under the age of five is making you cry.

Amanda Krill [00:22:50]:

Like, Whoa, yeah, I had three of them. So if anybody came here to babysit, it was just like coming into a tornado. And there was no hope for them whatsoever. They were wild, they were feral.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:23:08]:

And at some point, too, I think, when I think about self worth, I think about planting those seeds in her. And it wasn’t always necessarily conscious that I was doing it, but I think all along it was believing her when she said things, which was a concept that I would say was a little shaky in my own childhood. And so I just decided I was just going to lean into that. Like, let’s try this. A friend of mine once said that raising a child is a grand experiment, and you only know if you’ve been a miserable failure, like, way down the line.

Amanda Krill [00:23:56]:

True, very true.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:23:59]:

But it is an experiment, and one of the variables in the experiment is your child. And since they’re unique and not the same as every other newborn, three year old, ten year old, whatever, you do have to try different things. But I think all along it was like when she told me things, even if they made no sense to me. She couldn’t wear socks with seams for a period of time. It was not easy, in fact, to find any socks without seams. Certainly socks that were pretty and matched her outfits and things like that were pretty much no. But I didn’t just try to force her into socks with seams, because it was very clear that that was extremely difficult for her. Okay, then let’s just solve the root of this problem.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:24:59]:

And now I look back and I see that my believing her and just working to solve the problem planted seeds, that she could do that later, too, right? Trust herself. I see it now. She learned to drive. She got her license, was fine, was confident, and then had just the tiniest little fender vendor in our driveway of all place, and really no significant harm done anywhere to anything. But it really rattled her, and she just couldn’t just wouldn’t drive for ages and ages, and I just let it be. It was hard. I wanted to fix it, I wanted to encourage her, but I could just see there was so much anxiety around it, and I thought, you know what, let’s just support her. And her father and I decided we’ll can just continue to drive her places until she’s ready.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:26:12]:

And it was so much like when she was little, it went on for a period of time that felt longer than maybe we would have wanted. But then all of a sudden, she was like, I think I’m going to drive myself today. And I was like, okay, well, you have a license, so you can do that. Awesome. And it was like, that like magic. But not because, again, same principles. When she was young, it was like letting it be at her own pace and her own time, being supportive and not making it into a thing.

Amanda Krill [00:26:55]:

Yeah. Yes. My son, when he was my oldest one, when he was two or three, started stuttering really randomly, like, just no real reason why. And I was so worried about it. Just so worried about it. And read and read and read and read and read. And then I finally decided, same thing, I’m just going to not anymore. Because I was like, slow down, you’re talking too fast.

Amanda Krill [00:27:18]:

Just like all of the things that they tell you to try. And I was just like, I’m not even going to mention it anymore. It’s not working. It’s making it worse. And I don’t know, a month later, he stopped doing it. And so I don’t know. I don’t know what caused it. I don’t know why it went away.

Amanda Krill [00:27:34]:

I don’t know. But it worked itself out. And I’ve actually learned that a lot in my own life for myself. A lot of things where I would knee jerk react to things and be like, I have to fix this right now, and be panicky and get all upset and snap at people. And I have realized things usually work themselves out, and it doesn’t require me going crazy to make that happen. Just like, breathe, calm down, it will be fine. Nothing is that urgent unless you’re dying. And I haven’t yet, so I haven’t gotten there yet, so just chill.

Amanda Krill [00:28:20]:

It’ll be okay. And just letting things work themselves out has so far been working.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:28:27]:

When my daughter was younger, I had different checklists for her, mental checklists for her to review things like when you can interrupt me when I’m on the phone, these are the things you need to think about. And this was related to I would be on a work call and I would say, are you or someone else bleeding? Do you smell smoke? Is there water running that you can’t get to stop?

Amanda Krill [00:29:06]:

Very valuable list.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:29:10]:

And I started doing that, and then we would do it for different things. I would even kind of help her problem solve with those kinds of self reflection questions. And then I started using it in my business with clients, and then I was even starting to use it with myself. This feels like this situation feels I’m feeling panicked about it. Oh, my gosh, this or that or whatever. And I sometimes literally will go back to those questions, like, is anyone or anything bleeding? Do I smell smoke or cy? Is there water running that I cannot stop? These are things that are emergencies. And perhaps things like a client sending me something at 05:00 A.m. Isn’t actually an emergency.

Amanda Krill [00:30:23]:

Yeah, that’s a really good you should probably publish that list and say, this is the new standard for is this an emergency? If it’s not, it’s not. So just chill out.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:30:35]:

I used to have a team of people that worked for me back when I worked in higher ed. There are so many. I mean, I think all businesses have this kind of culture where everything’s urgent, everything’s in a panic. And I would repeatedly tell my people, we are not in the organ transplant business. There is nothing that we do that will irrevocably alter someone’s life. Yeah, there just isn’t. They’re not that powerful or important, which is really helpful, because then any panic, we can just take a breath and we can say, hey, what needs to be done here? How do we look at this differently? Chemists wait till tomorrow, whatever. But yeah, organ transplant, that’s very urgent and extremely important.

Amanda Krill [00:31:36]:

Yeah. One of the things that I’ve learned recently, and again, this is another reference to being a mother and that I never really did this for myself until I had these grown kids who I see them interacting with people and the way they’re showing up in the world and specifically relationships with people who you may have known since your childhood. And people grow apart, and people form new views from being know, changing things. I grew up in a very conservative church situation in central Ohio. To the point, like, we went to church Sunday morning, Sunday night, wednesday night, always for my entire life. If you missed one, you were in so much trouble. I mean, we lived 45 minutes south of Cedar Point, and you’re in Ohio, so you know what Cedar Point is. And if I was going to Cedar Point on Sunday, I had to go to church first, and then I was allowed to go to Cedar Point.

Amanda Krill [00:32:36]:

And I’m like, but by the time I get there, the lines will be so long. This is ridiculous. There was no bending on this. The only time I got to miss choking is when I had chickenpox. That’s it. The only time. So I grew up in this situation, and there are people who I have known since that time, and I feel like I have to maintain relationships with them because we grew up together. And then I realized, like, I don’t want my children to maintain relationships with people just because they grew up together.

Amanda Krill [00:33:07]:

Like, if they’re awful to, why would I encourage them? So why do I do that for myself, right? And it just occurred to me, well, it actually just happened very recently in Ohio. We have issue number one is coming up on the ballot very soon. And I grew up being completely pro life and I still think I would probably make that decision if it was for myself. But it is not my business to tell anybody else what to do with themselves at all. And an old friend messaged me and she’s like, I would like you to use your influence to get people to vote this way on this issue because the Bible speaks to this. And this was all she said. And I just replied and I said, sorry, no, I will not. First of all, don’t manipulate me saying things like the Bible speaks to this.

Amanda Krill [00:34:03]:

You didn’t give me any examples of where the Bible speaks to this. Nothing that came out of Jesus’s mouth know spoke to this. So it is not my business. It’s not my business what other women do and it’s not my business. And nobody should be legislating my body or anybody else’s body. And so, yeah, she unfriended me and I’m like, well, I guess that’s the way it is. And really it was my children. And thinking about would I want them to force themselves into a box to maintain a relationship with somebody just because they’d known them for 30 years? Yeah, no, absolutely not.

Amanda Krill [00:34:43]:

Why would I think they should do that? But I do that all the time.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:34:48]:

Yeah, I’ve been through this even with my, you know, with like close family, you know, I too was raised religious, conservative, tiny rural community in New Jersey, which exists even though people find that hard to and my mother still is my father has passed, but my mother is still very devout and very focused in that area. And again, from literally like second grade was like I tried at different times because honestly, and I talked about this in other settings, the sense of community that there can be in a faith group or faith community. I think if you haven’t experienced it, it’s hard to know. It’s hard to understand the level of attraction to that. And I think that to this day, even though I’m not a part of that community anymore, I long for that level of community. And I think that I tried different religious communities over my lifetime and I tried communities of other types to create that feeling again. Because again, I think there are aspects of that community, even the attraction to it that probably aren’t healthy, but there are aspects of it that really are beautiful.

Amanda Krill [00:36:40]:

Agreed. Yeah, I mean, my dad passed two years ago. Well, no, a year ago, hasn’t been even two years yet. And my mother needed a new roof on her house and the men from the church showed up, cleared it all off in 4 hours so the crew could get in there and do the work. And I was just like, I don’t know any other community that would do something like this for a woman who needed help.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:37:03]:


Amanda Krill [00:37:04]:

Is value to that.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:37:08]:

But there were so many pieces of that that I had to fight against and had to work through and honestly still have to work through that. I just didn’t want my daughter to have that same experience. And so even from a young age, I would say to her, whatever a family member says to you about your, for example, dyed blue hair, that’s just about them. They may be scared, they’re more comfortable fitting in. They don’t want to stand out, so they’re nervous for you standing out. What is that going to mean for you? And I would just frame it in that way that their critique or comments to you are about them and you don’t have to really think anything more about them. So anything they say, just be like, oh, yeah, well, that’s them. And fortunately, that worked.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:38:20]:

She really doesn’t concern her. And it makes me sad sometimes that she doesn’t have closer relationships with family members and things like that. But you can’t have really close relationships with people who don’t fully accept you for who you are.

Amanda Krill [00:38:39]:

Right, exactly. Yeah, exactly. My kids have experienced similar my daughter has her nose pierced, and we all have tattoos and stuff. And there are certain members of the family, they don’t necessarily say anything, but you can see them looking at you like, oh, is that a new tattoo? But I don’t want to ask about it. But I noticed it. I want you to know I noticed it.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:39:02]:


Amanda Krill [00:39:05]:

Thank you so much for joining me. So where can I send people for.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:39:10]:

Your website, et Shepherd. Like the dog shepherd? And yeah. I work with teens and young adults on life, career, college, planning, managing next steps.

Amanda Krill [00:39:32]:

What I love so much about what you’re doing in the world is the compassion that you bring to your work. And obviously, I haven’t worked with you, but I have college age kids, but they kind of made their own choices and went their own way, so I didn’t need your services. But I see talking about the stories that I’ve seen you talk about and stuff, and you are just such a breath of fresh air in this space that you aren’t just like, this is what you need to do and this is how you need to get there to do it. You’re like, let’s explore things. And I love that so much because I think that’s exactly what kids need now, not strict, rigid rules, and this is the only way to get what you want.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:40:14]:

That’s not true.

Amanda Krill [00:40:16]:

And I love how compassionate you are.

Kimberly Shepherd [00:40:18]:

Thank you. I appreciate you.

Amanda Krill [00:40:20]:

Yeah, all right. Thank you so much for joining me. And I’m going to hit stop. Thank you for listening to the she Owns podcast. If you’re interested in learning more about what she Owns is all about, head over to Whether you’re needing support around your business or your life, we’ve got you covered our all in one business suite. Gives you all the tools you need to run an online business. And she owns her.

Amanda Krill [00:40:43]:

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